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because the cia keeps killing people. or trying to kill people in other countries that we are not at war with. the cia at the time had taken it upon itself, it wasn't clear if they were acting alone or at various presidents' direction, but they had taken on the job of assassinations in foreign countries. assassinations and attempted assassinations. and the senate said that was not cool. this from the church report. "the evidence establishes that the united states was implicated in several assassination plots. the committee believes that short of war assassination is incompassable with american principles, international order, and morality. it should be rejected as a tool of foreign policy." the church committee report came out, said that. gerald ford issued an executive order banning assassinations. the select committees on intelligence were formed in the house and the senate to exert oversight over the cia. since the armed services committees who had been supposedly overseeing them had fallen down on the job, actually, t
because the cia keeps killing people. or trying to kill people in other countries that we are not at war with. the cia at the time had taken it upon itself, it wasn't clear if they were acting alone or at various presidents' direction, but they had taken on the job of assassinations in foreign countries. assassinations and attempted assassinations. and the senate said that was not cool. this from the church report. "the evidence establishes that the united states was implicated in several...
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well on the eve of john brenner's confirmation hearing as cia director. brennan is widely seen as the architect of the administration's kill policy and convinced the president of the program's value. under this program three americans have been targeted and killed. among them islamic cleric suspected terrorist anwar al-awlaki and the justice will give the senate and house intelligence committee access to classified legal advice providing the rationale to the strikes. and the policy is on display. when it comes to the war on terror it's blinding. let me lay it out for you. a few short months after taking office, this president set out on the apology tour and remember, he delivered these statements. >> 9/11 was an enormous trauma to our country. the fear and anger that it provoked was understandable, but in some cases, it led us to act contrary to our traditions and our ideals. we're taking concrete actions to change course. i have unequivocally prohibited the use of torture by the united states. water-boarding is torture, it's contrary to america's traditi
well on the eve of john brenner's confirmation hearing as cia director. brennan is widely seen as the architect of the administration's kill policy and convinced the president of the program's value. under this program three americans have been targeted and killed. among them islamic cleric suspected terrorist anwar al-awlaki and the justice will give the senate and house intelligence committee access to classified legal advice providing the rationale to the strikes. and the policy is on...
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lou: should brennan be confirmed to the cia? >> i give great deference to the president's nominee, have not heard anything that disqualifies other than a hypocrite but that is the currency of this administration. lou: if not the city itself. [laughter] >> as opposed to our fair city. lou: not a matter of comparison that we would hope the nation's capital has a higher standard. >> i am not sure it does. john brennan i think is the president's choice and barring a revelation, revelation, yes, he probably will be confirmed. lou: thank you for being here. we will have much more on the leon panetta / benghazi testimony with a means for the security of the nation throughout the broadcast. >> targeting lawful gun owners and publishing names and addresses. we'll talk with somebody who knows the answer to that question next. more budget battles on capitol hill. where is the market headed? next. lou: in sharp swings in the market today and liz saunders joins us live from charles schwab joins us and says get used to the volatility. and the
lou: should brennan be confirmed to the cia? >> i give great deference to the president's nominee, have not heard anything that disqualifies other than a hypocrite but that is the currency of this administration. lou: if not the city itself. [laughter] >> as opposed to our fair city. lou: not a matter of comparison that we would hope the nation's capital has a higher standard. >> i am not sure it does. john brennan i think is the president's choice and barring a revelation,...
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john brennan was at the cia when they were using that torture tactic. brennan did not use that word at his confirmation hearing again though they tried to get him too. he did though call waterboarding reprehensible and he said he protested it when he was at the cia. catherine herridge is live in washington. and, catherine, he says that it just really wasn't under him that there was nothing he could do about it; is that right? >> well, marshallly what we learned today is that he was copied on 50 memos about the handling and interrogation of the detainee abu zid apartment 2002 and waterboarded by the cia. if he had objection questioning why brennan executive director at the agency did nothing about them given that he got daily updates. >> including the analysis of the lawfulness of the techniques, putting you in a position to express any concerns you had about the program, before any of the most controversial techniques, including waterboarding were ever used. >> i did not take steps to stop the cia's use of those techniques. i was not in the chain of com
john brennan was at the cia when they were using that torture tactic. brennan did not use that word at his confirmation hearing again though they tried to get him too. he did though call waterboarding reprehensible and he said he protested it when he was at the cia. catherine herridge is live in washington. and, catherine, he says that it just really wasn't under him that there was nothing he could do about it; is that right? >> well, marshallly what we learned today is that he was copied...
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he is a veteran of the cia. a lot of people argue from inside the intelligence community that he is the perfect head of the cia because he is well respected and has, you know, a life-long career there. he is very close to the president. and you can really see the body language when the president was nominating him, just how close they are. this is a friendship. this is not just a working relationship. so it will certainly enhance the cia's clout inside the white house to have him as the head of it. there is a very highly regarded acting director, mike morel, who could have been nominate in order post as well, and is staying at the agency. so the agency is in very familiar hands right now while we go through this process. but this hearing, remember, is in front of the intelligence committee. ron wyden is something of an outlier in that the intelligence committees are pretty much very much in sync with what the administration warrants on the war on terror. this is the first real rebellion. >> fascinating stuff. i
he is a veteran of the cia. a lot of people argue from inside the intelligence community that he is the perfect head of the cia because he is well respected and has, you know, a life-long career there. he is very close to the president. and you can really see the body language when the president was nominating him, just how close they are. this is a friendship. this is not just a working relationship. so it will certainly enhance the cia's clout inside the white house to have him as the head of...
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panetta, i feel i've been drug around by every cia dra director. knowing your background and your education, and knowing what i think your values are and can i have your word you're going to be very swift coming to this committee to speak truth power, speak truth about power and even when it's uncomfortable where we're going to have to prove there's not an easy way to go. >> greta: former presidential advisor, do you have any problem with this drone program to kill americans overseas if it's thought that they are somehow associated with al-qaeda, or al-qae. >> i've never seen a better claim of-- the president of the united states is claiming the right not only for himself, but for high ranking subordinates what they consider in another country, the hell fire missile to kill them even if they're an american citizen. i've never heard of that before. i don't think it's going to stand. the congress will have to get in on this and i think a judicial review when you're killing americans abroad deliberately. >> greta: and coming out tomorrow, which of cou
panetta, i feel i've been drug around by every cia dra director. knowing your background and your education, and knowing what i think your values are and can i have your word you're going to be very swift coming to this committee to speak truth power, speak truth about power and even when it's uncomfortable where we're going to have to prove there's not an easy way to go. >> greta: former presidential advisor, do you have any problem with this drone program to kill americans overseas if...
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john brennan faces his confirmation hearing to be the head of the cia on thursday this week. he will face questions from senators on the senate intelligence committee who will presumably ask him about his time in the cia of yore under george w. bush and his time as the face of the drone program under president barack obama. one of the senators who sits on the intelligence committee is going to get a chance to question john brennan is oregon democrat john wyden, who is a bit of a contrarian on the issues. he recently wrote a letter to john brennan asking for answers of his own about targeted killing and why it's justified and how it's justified. the questions themselves are so basic that they are almost more telling than some of the answers they could but probably won't receive. questions like, for example, how much evidence does the president need to determine that a particular american can be lawfully killed? also, this is one that sticks with me, does the president have to provide individual americans with the opportunity to surrender before killing them? sand are there any
john brennan faces his confirmation hearing to be the head of the cia on thursday this week. he will face questions from senators on the senate intelligence committee who will presumably ask him about his time in the cia of yore under george w. bush and his time as the face of the drone program under president barack obama. one of the senators who sits on the intelligence committee is going to get a chance to question john brennan is oregon democrat john wyden, who is a bit of a contrarian on...
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he's going to be the cia director? >> these are hardly mainstream beliefs sean, hardly someone we would expect of our top intelligence officer, this is a concern and with good reason. >> sean: what do you think, senator reisch? >> a little philosophical with me, i'd actually like to see someone interested in killing terrorists and keep him out of america and out of our way. >> sean: we now have the i guess, the new obama miranda rights, which are you have the right to remain silent anything you can be used against you and oh, obama has a right to kill you. let's look at brennan and water-boarding and where we stand with the new memo on using drones to kill american citizens. let's take a look. >> we all have seen how our fight against terrorists sometimes led us to stray from our ideals as a nation. tactics such as water-boarding were not in keeping with our values as americans. and these practiceses have been rightly terminated and should not and will not happen again. i believe president obama is absolutely correct,
he's going to be the cia director? >> these are hardly mainstream beliefs sean, hardly someone we would expect of our top intelligence officer, this is a concern and with good reason. >> sean: what do you think, senator reisch? >> a little philosophical with me, i'd actually like to see someone interested in killing terrorists and keep him out of america and out of our way. >> sean: we now have the i guess, the new obama miranda rights, which are you have the right to...
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. >> whether he should be the next cia director. >> he's determined, he's strong. >> john brennan is going to face questions. >> a lot of questions. >> about the legal justification for using drone strikes. >> drones set to take center stage. >> to kill american citizens. >> these targets are ethical and justified. >> these are not the drones you're looking for. >> republicans are at war with karl rove. bush's brain, as rove used to be known, when rove was thought to still have a brain, is on a mission to crush backcrap crazy republicans so the party will actually nominate more reasonable candidates who have a chance of winning general elections against democrats. today, a republican who writes big checks to karl rove told politico that the republican party, quote, has had too many candidates who are nut cases. i don't think anybody anywhere with any sense is going to want to elect a candidate who says if your daughter gets raped, it's god's will. give me a break, will you? the problem for karl rove is that he and his rich republican friends may be outnumbered by crazy republicans. a
. >> whether he should be the next cia director. >> he's determined, he's strong. >> john brennan is going to face questions. >> a lot of questions. >> about the legal justification for using drone strikes. >> drones set to take center stage. >> to kill american citizens. >> these targets are ethical and justified. >> these are not the drones you're looking for. >> republicans are at war with karl rove. bush's brain, as rove used to be...
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so that certainly there is no correlation there as far as any type of termination of the cia's detention interrogation program and that increase in strikes. now, i will say that if you look out over the last four years what happened in a number of places such as yemen and other areas where there was, in fact, a growth of al qaeda, quite unfortunately, and so what we were trying to do in this administration is to take every measure possible to protect the lives of american citizens whether it be abroad or in the united states. as well as a maturation of capabilities and inside into those intelligence plots as a result of the investment that was made in the previous administration that allowed us in this administration to take appropriate actions. >> well, let's talk further about the targeted killings. when the targeted killings began several years ago, the first order of effect was the elimination of the senior operational leadership of al qaeda, of many of the leaders, many of the core leaders. obviously, that is a critical priority. we have heard both former cia director michael hayden
so that certainly there is no correlation there as far as any type of termination of the cia's detention interrogation program and that increase in strikes. now, i will say that if you look out over the last four years what happened in a number of places such as yemen and other areas where there was, in fact, a growth of al qaeda, quite unfortunately, and so what we were trying to do in this administration is to take every measure possible to protect the lives of american citizens whether it be...
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john brennan was once the deputy cia director. he is now president obama's counterterrorism director at the white house. but if he is to run the cia for president obama, john brennan is first going to have to face questions on thursday about some of what michael isikoff turned up here on this program last night. a justice department white paper elaborating the administration's reasoning for why it thinks it is legal to kill american citizens on the president's say so. or actually, on the say so of an informed high level official of the u.s. government. so maybe that's the president, but maybe that's somebody else. michael isikoff's scoop ended up at "the new york times" today and "the washington post" and "the hill" and slate and salon and ap to name a few. it was everywhere. and then at a press conference today, the attorney general was asked about it. >> last night nbc reported a white paper that was prepared by the justice department undated, unsigned about the legal -- the legal pinnacles for targeting americans overseas. coul
john brennan was once the deputy cia director. he is now president obama's counterterrorism director at the white house. but if he is to run the cia for president obama, john brennan is first going to have to face questions on thursday about some of what michael isikoff turned up here on this program last night. a justice department white paper elaborating the administration's reasoning for why it thinks it is legal to kill american citizens on the president's say so. or actually, on the say so...
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state, cia, all of the other players. is that the way something like this would routinely be handled? >> we have to remember this wasn't the only thing that was going on. i mean, i was up for half the night i think. a lot of people who typ follow s type of news. our embassy in cairo was under attack. all over the middle east it was exploding, so you would think the president would have more curiosity about what was going on. i find it shocking, frankly. you could tell by the way they were answering the questions they were uncomfortable giving up the information. it doesn't make sense. what was the president doing? did he just go to bed? i think liberals keep saying this conspiracy theory. this is basic government accountability. we don't need to know where the president was? he's happy to give us information when it benefits him. we know everything about the bin laden raid, but we can't find out basic information and we still don't know what he was doing? >> if the shoe were on the other foot, if this were a republican ad
state, cia, all of the other players. is that the way something like this would routinely be handled? >> we have to remember this wasn't the only thing that was going on. i mean, i was up for half the night i think. a lot of people who typ follow s type of news. our embassy in cairo was under attack. all over the middle east it was exploding, so you would think the president would have more curiosity about what was going on. i find it shocking, frankly. you could tell by the way they were...
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interview on cnn and general mckrystal say -- >> you have been watching the confirmation hearings for cia director nominee john brennan, an explosive day of testimony marked with protests and contentious questioning, a story that will no doubt dominate the headlines for days to come. "hardball" picks things up right now. >>> defending the drones. let's play "hardball." ♪ >>> good evening. i'm michael smerconiummer komer chris matthews. secrets and spies. the man who is at the center of the national debate over the targeted killing of americans overseas has been in the hot seat on capitol hill. among other things john brennan coordinates the kill list and so his confirmation hearing to become head of the cia is drawing an unusual amount of interest and attention. we'll get to what he said and the reaction at the top of the show. >>> also, more and more people on the right are asking, who is karl rove and why should we listen to him anymore? rove wants electable republicans nominated. the tea partiers want their people in. real right wingers and they're trashing rove and establishment rep
interview on cnn and general mckrystal say -- >> you have been watching the confirmation hearings for cia director nominee john brennan, an explosive day of testimony marked with protests and contentious questioning, a story that will no doubt dominate the headlines for days to come. "hardball" picks things up right now. >>> defending the drones. let's play "hardball." ♪ >>> good evening. i'm michael smerconiummer komer chris matthews. secrets and...
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you know, the cia tried many times to kill fidel castro. it was just unsuccessful at it. >> well that's -- >> i'm a realist. >> kill him, i'm not sure. but i can't deny it. i know they tried to defoliate him with his beard. i know they tried to give him hall louis na jens. >> the poison cigar i think was meant to kill him, but the point being that i don't want any single individual, and, you know, i'm a supporter of president obama's, but i don't want any single individual, not george w. bush, not barack obama to have the authority to say we're going to kill these people. and nor do i want it to be obama and a group of people over whom he has authority. i don't want it to be people in the military who answer to him. i want it to be people of an outside branch of government who feel the ins pen dense to disagree with the president. >> well said. i think yesterday john brennan was grilled about various aspects of this program including the rights of americans who might be on the kill list. take a look at how he answered a question on that fro
you know, the cia tried many times to kill fidel castro. it was just unsuccessful at it. >> well that's -- >> i'm a realist. >> kill him, i'm not sure. but i can't deny it. i know they tried to defoliate him with his beard. i know they tried to give him hall louis na jens. >> the poison cigar i think was meant to kill him, but the point being that i don't want any single individual, and, you know, i'm a supporter of president obama's, but i don't want any single...
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obama's nominee to run the cia. white house counter terrorism advisor john brennan unless the senators get good cooperation from the administration like providing the secret legal memos, quote: congress and the public can decide whether the president's power to deliberately kill american citizens is subject to appropriate limitations and safeguards. republican senator susan collins who signed a letter telling fox late today the refusal to release the secret memos is hypocritical. >> obama administration that released all of these opinions from the office of legal counsel about the bush administration's treatment of detainees. so, why the different standards? >> brennan is expected to be pressed thursday not only on the targeted killing program but the cia interrogation program. critics call torture and whether he was or knows the source of these national security leaks to the media shep. >> shepard: you mentioned critics, catherine, many of them are saying the president isn't really living up to his own promises. >>
obama's nominee to run the cia. white house counter terrorism advisor john brennan unless the senators get good cooperation from the administration like providing the secret legal memos, quote: congress and the public can decide whether the president's power to deliberately kill american citizens is subject to appropriate limitations and safeguards. republican senator susan collins who signed a letter telling fox late today the refusal to release the secret memos is hypocritical. >> obama...
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our usual disclaimer, she serves on the cia external advisory board. also with us retired cia officer bob baer. fran, you got new information about the attack. what is it? >> what we know is that the attack happened at an outer perimeter checkpoint. what we have now learned from law enforcement officials and sources working the investigation is that the outer -- this outer checkpoint happened to be a walkway for embassy employees and their guests. that now makes more sense, anderson. the ambassador acknowledged the woman who has been injured, a journalist, who is a friend of his, was coming to meet him for tea. law enforcement officials, when you ask him about that, say this female journalist enters the perimeter checkpoint, and the man, the suicide bomber comes in behind her, and that's when he detonates his device. he was carrying a bag, a law enforcement official said, they're still trying to determine whether or not the device was on him or in that bag, but that's when it was -- what was detonated. this was an individual, by the way, that was known
our usual disclaimer, she serves on the cia external advisory board. also with us retired cia officer bob baer. fran, you got new information about the attack. what is it? >> what we know is that the attack happened at an outer perimeter checkpoint. what we have now learned from law enforcement officials and sources working the investigation is that the outer -- this outer checkpoint happened to be a walkway for embassy employees and their guests. that now makes more sense, anderson. the...
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counterterrorism adviser john brennan heads to capitol hill for his confirmation hearing to take over the cia, the white house has to answer some tough questions about its overseas drone program. the catalyst is a leaked white house memo obtained by nbc's michael isikoff that justifies in certain cases attacks on american citizens abroad. the white house has forced strong criticisms from advocates over the drone policy. ron wyden tweeted today every american has the right to know when the government believes it is allowed to kill them. what's surprising people is how much most americans seem to casually accept this as the cost of doing business in a dangerous world. eugene robbins is a columnist and david corn is from mother jones. both are msnbc political analysts. let's take a look here at ed carney, the president's spokesman, talk about this. it was a briefing today and carney defended the president's position on drones but also faced some tough questions. let's listen. >> i won't talk about specific instances, but the fact is that the methods that we use are designed specifically to avoid
counterterrorism adviser john brennan heads to capitol hill for his confirmation hearing to take over the cia, the white house has to answer some tough questions about its overseas drone program. the catalyst is a leaked white house memo obtained by nbc's michael isikoff that justifies in certain cases attacks on american citizens abroad. the white house has forced strong criticisms from advocates over the drone policy. ron wyden tweeted today every american has the right to know when the...
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is it the army, the cia, is it the attorney general? >> a lot of recent reporting has shown it's actually barack obama himself -- >> through the nsc. >> that a lot of these are reviewed personally by the president. he is the informed high-level official that says go get this guy. >> does he have to give an official finding? does he have to have a finding? does he have to -- >> there's a finding that supports the policy, but i don't know that he needs -- >> does he have fingerprints when he makes one of these decisions like -- >> not public ones. in fact, they won't discuss in public deliberations at all. listen, until last year they wouldn't acknowledge the drone policy existed. >> can you tell from your reporting if there's any conflict of conscience within the administration or they agree we need to do this in the war we're in now? >> look at panetta's comments to chuck todd the other day on "meet the press" in which he said making these decisions about who should die and who should not, who should get targeted, were really tough ones
is it the army, the cia, is it the attorney general? >> a lot of recent reporting has shown it's actually barack obama himself -- >> through the nsc. >> that a lot of these are reviewed personally by the president. he is the informed high-level official that says go get this guy. >> does he have to give an official finding? does he have to have a finding? does he have to -- >> there's a finding that supports the policy, but i don't know that he needs -- >>...
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what would you do if you were president or a commander in chief, same thing, or general or cia director. and you choose whether we send in 20 guys, we're going to lose 5 or 10. if we use a drone, we'll kill five family members. >> commanders make those decisions all the time. and they're damn difficult to make. if you look at what's happening in yemen now, you have whole villages that literally watch the drones for days above them. and they see them as signals and messages of america power or arrogance and they realize that they're going to come down and strike somebody there. and it may hit them as well. and that has a real potential -- >> where is that happening right now? >> in yemen. you've got to weigh those things in. >> gene? >> i'm somewhat less concerned about what has happened today than what's going to happen in the future. and i really think that's -- so my issue is not so much that the decision was made to go after ai law key. >> what should be the protocol? >> i think what they do is fine but there should be something like the fisa court that can -- look. as a practical ma
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because cia helicopters, boats, ghosts, i don't know. rand paul talked than theory that he has cooked up. he talked about that theory after that hearing to who else, but the website "world net daily." rand did an interview with "world net daily" and told them he doesn't have any proof about this theory that guns are being smuggled out of libya into turkey, and that somehow explains what was going on there. but he wanted to enter that conspiracy theory into the congressional record anyway. "world net daily" is where united states senator rand paul went to go talk about his conspiracy secret boat theory about benghazi after the hearing. just for the record, this is the "world net daily" front page. see what the halo is? this is their current issue. inside you can read an article titled "obama's muslim childhood" by daniel pipes in which the renowned islam expert presents overwhelming evidence that the president of the united states who claimed before the election he was never a muslim was in fact born and raised a muslim. no way, way. no w
because cia helicopters, boats, ghosts, i don't know. rand paul talked than theory that he has cooked up. he talked about that theory after that hearing to who else, but the website "world net daily." rand did an interview with "world net daily" and told them he doesn't have any proof about this theory that guns are being smuggled out of libya into turkey, and that somehow explains what was going on there. but he wanted to enter that conspiracy theory into the congressional...